Goodbye Cruel Blog World

Ok, not cruel. I have actually found very friendly people because of this blog.  I just need to go. I don’t 100% want to but I was having technical difficulties posting and reading comments. WordPress wouldn’t respond except for AI and I really needed a person so I figured I’d just quit.  I’ve loved blogging and it fits right in with the diary I’ve been keeping since I was 13 years of age.  Yet,  looking at my finances and draining it all in a house I bought in Florida after being lucky enough to sell off the house in cohousing, I need to cut back. WordPress is pretty reasonably priced but feeling frozen out, I”m tired of paying for it.  (and please, someone buy the house in Florida!!! That’ll help my finances since mold and other disasters destroy houses and monthly budgets in that state. Plus, it’s the last remnant of my horror story with cohousing so I’ll let it go along with this blog)

I’ve been thinking of how blogs end.  A famous promoter of Intentional Communities, Laird just passed away. His blog is a great way to see some of the problems in IC since he would go and try to help. (Laird’s Commentary on Community and Consensus)  But, how long will his blog be up?  I googled it – it’s up to his family.  Blogs don’t just continue on especially now that they aren’t free.

I also wonder what happens to people who love communes and co housing in the after life? Is their version of heaven a commune in the sky? For me, it ended up being a living hell. I hope the afterlife is not a big community – I think I’ll take my own cloud and allow others to visit. I will enjoy all my previous pets to stay as long as they wish, of course.  

Before I go I did recently find a new resource.  They have discussions on Intentional Communities and honest sessions on some pitfalls. Here is their page on figuring out if it’s a cult or not.

Warning – Cooperative Living Communities

So, I’m sad to go but also happy. The cohousing journey is done. I’m not sure I reached many but a few people were open to hear the negatives. Most just love the hope (and I do too) and don’t want to think of the downside.  That makes me feel like the purpose of the blog was useless – the good, the bad, and the ugly – no one wanted to hear it. At  least not from me.

I hope I can still comment and read the other blogs I’ve “met” during this journey.  Anyone who wants can always still reach out to me. 

[email protected]

In Ojibwe there is no word for goodbye, so Gigawabaimin – see you later!

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Are neighbors “their life” for old people?

According to Progressive, yes! But I think it’d be nice if we were all social – with limits of course. Not on a cohousing/intentional community level. Just hellos and how are you doing? And maybe noticing someone running (or not) is motivation to stay in shape.

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Airbnb vs. hotels

I have learned a lot from, briefly, running an airbnb. I loved it but my cohost and I had varying opinions – such as giving out extra toilet paper when I asked (I was pro, they against).  I ended up shutting down the airbnb studio so I could keep the peace with my cohost (which ultimately failed along with the friendship).  I started renting the studio out long term – furnished.

Along the way I read articles and listened to every podcast possible on airbnb and formed opinions.  So here they are.

SAFETY:

Hotels!!!!

Hotels have state and maybe even federal laws. They are inspected. They have fire alarms in every room. Pool safety, elevator, etc.

Airbnb is taking risks just like you would at friend’s house except if anything goes wrong, it’s ultimately the hosts fault.

So, I prefer hotels.  The few times I do get an airbnb (usually for large parties with extended family) I pack my own fire alarms and have told hosts that one for a four bedroom is not good enough. That still doesn’t help if there isn’t a ladder and you are four stories up for a fire. Or carbon monoxide. And other accidents I have heard about.

The main reason I’m scared of running an Airbnb is to be sued if there is a terrible accident. I bought a carbon monoxide detector and the next guest stole it. (I bought another)

PRICE

Hotels!!!!

I like the kitchen and many rooms in airbnb but the pricing on Airbnb is still crazy and not customer friendly. I’m still angry over a booking I made for the holidays. The listing said free cancelation within 48 hours. I thought it was like a hotel – you can cancel a day before for hotels. I was very wrong.

The other party involved with our plans cancelled so I cancelled the Airbnb reservation two weeks ahead. To my shock, the 48 hours free cancelation was from the time you made the reservation. So, I had to pay for half my stay for nothing.

I asked if I could move the reservation to another day and they said they were booked. Unlike a hotel where you can easily switch your days since they have the inventory. I called Airbnb customer service but they deter to the host’s rules which I will now read carefully IF I ever book again.

Plus, this particular place had a $200 cleaning fee which I thought Airbnb got rid of and put into the original price instead but apparently not. Plus, a daily fee to warm the pool whether you wanted to use it or not. Ugh!

Airbnb – too many fees, too many ways to rob you. Stick to hotels.

Now, I will book more than one room and some hotels have a mini-kitchen if you need them anyhow.

LONG TERM STAYS

Airbnb

I will admit that I stayed a month and a half in an airbnb this past year as we waited to move back into our house. That was fine. Just like renting any old house. Safety is up to you and the price is almost the same as regular long term rent.

For more opinions/facts I found this article.

Airbnb vs Hotel – Which is Better? (Honest Pros & Cons)

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Too nice to fail?

Thanks to Flower, my super fan follower on her – believe me, there have been some haters too (especially one person who works for cohousing as a promoter/developer), she has found a true story account from another cohouser. It sounds so familiar. We were so nice at our community that everyone just followed along with families that did have some big issues and made it everyone’s problems. That boundary making is so important. Covid hurt us too just like in this story. Enjoy:

I found this on a site about cohousing experiences. It is long and in two parts. Here you go:

geeves_007

Hi there, the community you’re considering joining sounds similar to the one we left…

I don’t want to be discouraging, because I believe intentional community/cohousing can be a huge force for positive change in the world. It just didn’t work for us. To answer your questions:

How long did you live/have you lived there?

One year

How did people in your life react to your move to cohousing?

My partner and I were the founding members of a new community that eventually went through to completion and move-in. We gave more than anybody else (time/energy/money etc) to this community because we were there from day one. We hammered out the idea in a rental we were living in, and moved into a brand new community 7 years later. I still can’t believe it worked!
Our friends and family were very happy for us and excited to see how it all worked out. I’m sure some thought it was a crazy idea, but they were all very supportive and encouraging.

What is/was your favorite part? Least favorite part?

Our favourite part was community building. Getting to know almost 30 families from across the whole spectrum of stage of life / ages etc who ended up being our community and the founders that built the building and moved in together. The process of meeting all these people are getting to know them was something we’ll always value.

The pandemic really harmed our community. It happened at a crucial stage of the process and suddenly we could no longer gather in person. Prior to the pandemic, our community meetings (pre move in) were a mix of business and socializing. We always included time to share food in a potluck fashion, have some fun activities to break up the business, plan something unique for the kids etc. After the pandemic, we could only meet by zoom and our meetings quickly became a burden and a chore. There was no fun any longer, just business. People became frustrated and argumentative. Tensions ran high.

There was a spectrum of opinions about the pandemic – no real strong antivaxxer types, but actually some very vocal people demanding extremes of caution. Judgement for anybody gathering in any way/shape/or form, etc. People taking it to the extremes of isolation – which is not really compatible with a multifamily community with many children etc. It wasn’t sustainable and the pandemic really fractured our community badly.

After moving in, our least favourite part was probably just ongoing conflict hangover from pandemic times. The community developed some bad habits of allowing a few vocal people to monopolize all the airtime in community meetings and community communication. People that were negative and needy and probably never a good fit for cohousing to begin with. But because we were all patient and empathetic people, we allowed these few bad actors to really make the community experience largely negative. We allowed them to complain and whinge to a very disproportionate degree. We allowed their own personal problems to be projected on to the community at large, when we should have nipped it in the bud by rebuking them with a “that sounds like a YOU problem, and not something the community can really fix for you”.

Instead, we allowed community discussions to focus on just a few households and their bottomless complaints, instead of focusing on positives and things that included everybody. Unfortunately, it was really a situation of a few toxic people making a great thing quite negative. The negativity was ultimately what led us to leave, as we decided that after all the work and time and energy to complete the project, we did not wish to tolerate that kind of negativity in our home-life, and fortunately had the means and opportunity to move on. It was a very sad time.
If things went to shit, what happened?

Sort of covered as above. Things haven’t really ‘gone to shit’ for that community though! We actually still keep in close touch with many people living there, and visit often. They still have their issues, but are slowly getting better at setting boundaries as a community. That was really what spoiled it for us. People’s personal problems continually resurfacing in community meetings and being projected onto the community. It was really only a few households that couldn’t establish this boundary. Most people were very sensible about what was a personal problem and what was a community problem. Our failing was allowing those people to develop those habits because we were too kind and nice to ‘nip it in the bud’ when discourse started heading in the wrong direction that way.

Did your life get better or worse when you joined? When you left?

If you ask my kids it got way better when we joined because suddenly we lived in this community with all these other kids they knew from the development process so it was play time central. It was very cool and exciting to move in. Common meals began earnestly (pandemic aftershocks made this a struggle as even as late as late 2021 some members were strongly opposed to common meals and other similar gatherings) which was very fun and happy.

For my spouse and I life got better after we left. Living there had many positives, but I think we had just been too badly traumatized by the conflict during the height of the pandemic by some members that really went off the deep end, we could no longer live there comfortably. I still blame largely the pandemic, as opposed to an inherent failing with the cohousing idea.

Did you grow up in cohousing? How was it?

No I did not

Overall, it was a wild ride for us. We invested so so much, and part of the implosion for our family was definitely our own failure to set appropriate boundaries. In order to get to the finish line (a completed building ready for move-in) we got in the habit of making other people’s problems our own problems and fixing them where we could to just keep the process moving ahead. My spouse and I are very effective people. We can be a force to reckon with in getting shit done, as evidenced by the multifamily community we largely built in a very high COL location. But we lost our mojo after move-in. Suddenly it was like peaking behind the mirror and we realized ‘holy crap, some of these people are parasites on us and instead of dealing with their own personal shit they are continually shovelling it on us’. So we decided the best way to fix that was to leave. In hindsight, we could have stuck it out for longer and many of these issues would have probably eased with time. I still think what was ultimately needed was a bit of an epic throw-down confrontation with the few toxic households that were capitalizing an oversized portion of community energy and bandwidth. We all knew who they were and could see it. Just everybody was too polite to say anything..

Cathartic for me to write this to you stranger! I think it can be a great thing, and I wish it would have worked out differently for us. Sometimes life throws you curveballs!

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A Christmas Karen in Celebration, Florida

Last year as I was in Celebration, I noticed a movie on my streaming platform. It was called a Christmas Karen. Brilliant title. Brilliant idea. I assumed most was not filmed in Celebration since the house looked more like a KIssimmee house. I was wrong.

I wanted to ask the filmmakers why they chose Celebration as the setting since the Karen is so awful it makes Celebration look even more privileged than it is.  I even emailed the filmmakers for this blog on a contact sheet and am still waiting to see if they answer. In the meantime I think I found it.

Below is an interesting youtube channel. They interview people who live Near Disney.  THe filmmakers live in Celebration and have filmed all their films there. So, Christmas Karen is a mean scrooge but earlier they made their house haunted for a scary movie. There’s my answer. I also found out that plenty of scenes were filmed in Celebration. I just didn’t recognize it and didn’t notice all the Christmas nights even as celebrated there. I think I was more isolated right at the end of the neighborhood where most of the rental apartments lay. It’s a block away from the road to just enter the Disney resorts and parks.  Plus, I don’t drive a lot at night during the holiday times since I’ve had a lifelong fear of drunk drivers who are known to party around Christmas.

I think the interview below gives a good glimpse of what life is like in Celebration. They have lots of celebrations and events.  It’s a big place but it looks like individual neighborhoods seem to form a sense of community, at least until people move on as many people do everywhere. Even in cohousing.

Watch a Christmas Karen. It’s a fun twist on A Chrsitmas Carol now that Karens are all the rage, literally – full of rage and rage at them.

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 CELEBRATION FLORIDA: Meet filmmaker JON BINKOWSKI Celebration FL Resident

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Cohousing for sale? More fail?

Asking again if Cohousing is a total failure, I got notice of one cohousing where 15% of the houses are for sale. It makes me sad. Now, I know for a fact that one family was moving up to a bigger house, but the others?  If cohousing is so great and family-like, why do so many people leave? I knew of another cohousing, new just like this one, who was struggling and many wanted to escape. Many think the next one will be better and look for another cohousing community. The dream is alive, but the actuality not so much.

It reminded me of how much trust you put into living with a bunch of strangers.  I was shocked when one of my cohouse neighbors downloaded an illegal movie – a kid’s movie. It would have cost only twenty bucks max but they decided to go another route.  It put all of us in danger of losing our internet. We were all connected. One account. So, the internet company noticed and said if something like that happens again, we are done.  

I couldn’t believe they  had been so careless for something so stupid. Maybe it’d be worth it if they were a spy or saving a trapped family in an oppressed country, but a movie for their kid to watch?  We didn’t have many internet options. For some reason, the local internet providers wouldn’t let the builder make individual accounts available to each house so we had to share.  No big deal, until it was.

So, thats’ cohousing in a nutshell. Sounds great to share anything until you realize some are so self centered and don’t think or care that they can ruin it for everyone.

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How to deal with cult recruiters

This scene in Airplane is hilarious for anyone soliciting however they actually list a bunch of famous cults. And other silliness. Surely, we wouldn’t expect anything less from Airplane – and don’t call me Sirley!

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Is cohousing a total failure?

It finally happened, someone I liked and admired at my cohousing community moved out a few months ago. I had a chance to talk to her this weekend and see what she is like after deprogramming (I.e. being out for a while).

The first thing she said shocked me. She said she feels safe now.  Wow, that’s how I felt.  I was free of being ganged up on and villainized. For her, it was financial security.  See, the group that likes to sweep everything under the rug, keeps going back and forth on the costs of running the property. So, prices went up and repairs didn’t happen which made them more costly.  She felt like it would continue so much that she wouldn’t be able to afford the place.  I also worried about losing money and selling my house so I was relieved when I was able to and she was lucky in that regard too. Two other houses are for sale and not moving.  Not everyone wants to move into cohousing. (You can hear me laughing, right?)

I asked for follow ups on everyone I knew.  The couple that gave me the most trouble moved out but some strong personalities moved in.  The new power couple joined every committee and started to run everything. Since everyone tends to be passive there no one saw it as a problem and when the costs started to go up it was too late to fight it. Apparently they want to do a big construction project.  When my friend said she couldn’t afford it and would have to move, most people just shrugged. So, it is a community that doesn’t care about other people and you either have to get on board (group think) or move out. That doesn’t sound like the idea and promise of cohousing.

So, she left. Ironically so did the couple that caused all the problems. They have moved into another cohousing in another state.  That makes me wonder how cohousing communities deal with these neighbors who cause a lot of trouble and then leave. My friend thinks the ones who gave me issues left because they realized they would always be watched by neighbors and couldn’t deal with that scrutiny especially of their child raising choices.

She also told me that another person we were both friends with also turned on her. Once over something stupid – a design choice for the common house.  She yelled and belittled her instead of just asking if she could look for other options.  Then, she also shrugged when my pal didn’t want to cough up all the construction money and chose to leave.  That made me realize that even if I had stayed, the friendships I thought I built could be blown away in a second especially in all the disagreements over every little decision trying to manage a property.

I did try to make another friend when I was living there.  I walked with her daily.  She took me out for lunch for my birthday. But the minute the whole community disagreed with me she dropped me like a hot potato. Usually when I lose a friend I get very depressed, but for the first time ever this time that didn’t hurt at all.  And it wasn’t the distraction of everyone else hating me. It was that I was trying to connect but I was actually seeing that we didn’t have much in common. And, she was a little strange.  So, the “friendships” can be fragile and fake. I still believe that real community is formed naturally just like friendships do – with people you respect, trust, and share common interests.

Lastly, I was also shocked to find that a couple has separated. One half of the couple has moved out. Sad.  Again, it shows that cohousing is not a steady community. People divorce. People move for work. Most importantly, people move out because it doesn’t really work.

My friend asked if cohousing can be successful? She is doubtful. Me?  I think those that enjoy it may have a small clique that is doing fine, and on top of the food chain. Or, they are shallow and fake and have shallow relationships. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t think it is a deep connection of a community.  Or, they are downright lying and acting like a cult. Suppressing the deep, dark secrets and only presenting the positive to sell to a new homeowner so they can continue to survive.

I think it can work if you treat it as just a house. Just a neighborhood. With a lot of pain in the ass, waste of time  meetings on managing the place.  So, maybe it’s best to avoid it all together.

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Reality Check

I love watching Sister Wives, a reality show about a polygamous family.  I hope I’m not spoiling it but the most recent seasons are about the dismantling of the family. Three of the wives have left and all the reasons are still being revealed but they all say that the husband is in love with the remaining wife. So the title now should just be “Wife”.

In the latest episode, one former wife, Christine, stated that the husband never helped her decorate or design her house when they moved (which they did a few times).  She claimed he was involved with Robin, the one he is now in a monogamous relationship with.  I wondered if that was true so I asked the internet. No answer. So, I had to do my research.  First, I watched the episode when they ran away from Utah out of fear of persecution and built houses in a cul de sac in Vegas. He helped Christine move but no decorating shown on film.  Next, they moved to Flagstaff and moved into different houses while figuring out how to build on a plot of land. Moving again, no decorating..  Sadly, one wife had to move in and out of a house because some neighbors called the landlord and complained about polygamous moving there. The landlord kicked them out. Totally illegal but that wife didn’t want to live with those neighbors and didn’t fight it.  So, you can choose your neighbors – by harassment and threats.  Scary.

So, the answer to my question is that she probably was telling and remembering the decorating correctly.  Yet, looking back on the happier days where the family was all together reminded me of how their life as a polygamous group is a lot like intentional communities.  I admired the show and wanted that life of all of them helping and working together and seeming so happy. But they didn’t show the underlying tensions and how some wives didn’t really interact or have friendships at all. Now that it’s all fallen apart, they talk about it. Some talk about the idea of polygamy and they still like the idea but the reality was too hard. Same with cohousing. Many try and discover  it’s too tough or not what they wanted, but they still like the idea of it.  Many people in the intentional community community don’t live in one anymore but are building a new one. Looking for a new one.  Helping others build one. Human nature to think the next one will be right.  Not many stop to think that it’s a utopian idea but reality gets in the way.

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A Bad Moms Cult

I just discovered this cult. Fascinating article. I like how one person loved the place because you “add water and instant friends”. That made me laugh – reminds me of how cohousing is advertised.

I had heard of the idea of Refrigerator Mothers and how people used to blame mothers for their autistic children. That idea is discussed here. It was a Blame the Mother era.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-upper-west-side-cult-that-hid-in-plain-sight

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