
Anthony Irvine outside the National Theatre in London…
My previous blog was the first part of a chat with Anthony Irvine AKA performance artist The Iceman AKA the fine artist AIM.
The Iceman’s performance art involved melting blocks of ice. AIM’s visual art tends to be about him melting blocks of ice as The Iceman.
He was talking to me partly to publicise Melt It! The Film of The Iceman – an upcoming documentary about him, premiering in Wolverhampton next month.
Now read on…
JOHN: You told me once that you worked in the National Theatre.
ANTHONY: Well, I worked at the National Theatre in the Green Room as a barman, serving drinks. I knew that all the actors regarded me as rather slow, but I met all the greats.
JOHN: Such as?
ANTHONY: The lot.
JOHN: Laurence Olivier?
ANTHONY: Not Larry; my Green Room work was more recent. I remember actors like Brian Cox who were doing shows there. And the playwright Alan Ayckbourn.
I once served a drink to Harold Pinter.
JOHN: Did he say very much?
ANTHONY: No, he came back and said the wine was too warm.
JOHN: Were there lots of pauses?
ANTHONY: There were many pauses.
JOHN: You never performed on stage at the National?
ANTHONY: No. But I went back to the Green Room much later on, after I’d given up the job, and I got slightly inebriated.
I took a wrong turning and I was suddenly at the entrance onto the Olivier auditorium’s stage. A play called The Visit was on with Lesley Manville in it and it did cross my mind… I thought This could be an opportunity… and then I thought better of it, fortunately.
A number of actors were about to make their entrance and they looked at me aghast and I think Security got involved. It was a very memorable moment because, you know, the lights are so bright but I could actually see the front row of the audience.
JOHN: You should have gone on stage and said, “Oh, I’m just visiting…” and then gone off again.
ANTHONY: Have I told you that it’s sold out?
JOHN: What?
ANTHONY: The screening of the film next month. Melt It! The Film of the Iceman…
JOHN: Do you like the finished film?
ANTHONY: I’ve only seen little bits of it so far.
JOHN: Are you actually in it? They could have cut you out of a documentary about you just for a laugh…
ANTHONY: (LAUGHS) That would be funny, yes. It’d be like me going to see Funny Bones, where I did three days filming and they cut me out of that, more or less. I was one of the sort of music hall people. I was being the Iceman with his block. I think you only see him for a second up a ladder or something like that.
JOHN: But, in the new documentary film about you…
ANTHONY: There’s interviews with various people who did comedy in my day, like Jo Brand and Stewart Lee and Simon Munnery and they all have their interviews. Robin Ince. Mark Thomas. They just say little things about the Iceman. And so, it’s just like in the book, Melt It! The Book of The Iceman where the foreword is Simon Munnery talking about block 125 and kind enough to use the phrase “absurd, beautiful art”.
JOHN: So is ‘absurd, beautiful art’ your ideal description?
ANTHONY: I do quite like that. I think it’s quite accurate. I like people to laugh and cry when they’re in front of my paintings as AIM. Sometimes it even happens. I put a lot of feeling into them.
JOHN: Why are they crying?
ANTHONY: Because they sense a human condition in an unexpected form. There’s always a human figure. And there’s always the block of ice.
So I think the combination of the block and the man is quite evocative.
JOHN: Because?
ANTHONY: Because the whole idea of melting ice is…
JOHN: Ephemeral?
ANTHONY: Yes. It conveys the passing of time and the struggle and also moments of joy, of course, as well. So that’s why there should be laughter as well.
JOHN: But why would they laugh and cry at a two-dimensional image? Or feel emotion?
ANTHONY: Because it evokes something. Because it’s painted with such glee and care… (LAUGHS) and speed.
JOHN: How long does it take to paint an average one?
ANTHONY: Well, sometimes they’re quite quick. But I never do one without a lot of thought – before committing to canvas.
JOHN: Your recent ‘paintings’ have not really been paintings. They’ve been a sort-of collage of ink drawings and Polaroid pictures and fax paper..
ANTHONY: I find the ink drawing quite interesting because I look at the Polaroid quite carefully before I do the ink drawing. And the Polaroid provokes some kind of path to the painting. For example, even the shape of the block or the audience members you see in the photo or the structure of the support system or the funnel or the lights.
So the actual Polaroid, funnily enough, does influence the painting. For example, the number of copies I might make for the fax machine. Of course, the fax machine was quite a big old-fashioned one I used.
I do acknowledge that I wasn’t literally faxing. I was using the fax machine to make copies on fax paper.
Do you know fax paper? I love the actual quality of the fax paper and the printing on it.
JOHN: You were talking about the shape of the block. Isn’t the shape of the block a given? Otherwise it wouldn’t be a block.
ANTHONY: Well, the block receives a shape from the container, really. Even if you use the same container, different water will freeze in a different shape or come out in a different shape.
JOHN: How do you make your blocks? In the last 30 years, have you had a little box or something?
ANTHONY: Well, I had freezers all around London and the home counties. More difficult further afield. I didn’t have one in Glasgow.
I basically usually froze them myself. Occasionally, if I did what you might call a bigger show, I would get a commercial block. And that was always a different phenomenon because you had to ‘get to know’ your block whereas, with the blocks I made myself, I knew them already. Do you see the difference?
JOHN: How did you get to know your block?
ANTHONY: Having a short moment to commune with it – or a long moment if possible. Talk to it, receive information from it.
And, of course, when it appeared in public, it began a life of its own.
JOHN: What information did you get back from it?
ANTHONY: That’s a good question. I think it’s difficult to put into human language.
JOHN: Put it into ice language.
ANTHONY: A sense of what it was.
JOHN: It was a block.
ANTHONY: A character.
JOHN: Different blocks have different characters?
ANTHONY: Yes.
JOHN: Understandable in a human way?
ANTHONY: Yes. I mean, for example, the famous Noel Edmonds Christmas Show when The Iceman went mainstream. He came out of an exploding fridge.
JOHN: An exploding fridge?
ANTHONY: An exploding fridge. There’s film of it somewhere.
But on that occasion I had more than one block. I had about a mountain of blocks. Big blocks. I mean, I had to use a wheelbarrow to move them. So that was a fascinating interaction of different blocks together. And me.
But I don’t want to sound pretentious.
JOHN: Oh, go on.
ANTHONY: There is a sort of ambience which results from the specific characters of the blocks.
JOHN: Have you met a psychopathic block of ice?
ANTHONY: I don’t think I’ve ever met a psychopathic one. I’ve had angry ones.
JOHN: Why are they angry?
ANTHONY: I don’t know, just in a mood. Probably didn’t want to be made.
JOHN: Are they trying to revolt against this by refusing to melt?
ANTHONY: Well, yes, everything revolted against The Iceman because, as you know, the system always collapsed as soon as you put the block in the structure.
So there was always struggle, always an element of struggle. The funniest block I remember, at Battersea Arts Centre, was a block that jumped – literally jumped – back into the bucket from where it came. I promise you.
JOHN: How did it do that?
ANTHONY: I don’t know. The audience thought it was a stunt, but it was supernatural. I promise you, I got the block out of the container, put it on my structure, I put the container on the floor, some distance away, and the next moment, the block, as it were, ‘flew’ into the container, upside down. I do not exaggerate. I was gobsmacked.
JOHN: Imagine how the block felt.
ANTHONY: I was amazed and the audience saw my genuine amazement.
JOHN: What did the therapists say?
ANTHONY: They said, “Keep melting! This helps you. It gives you a path through life. It gives you a reason to be. It helps you put all your angst and joy into something that you can share with the public. And you can do big TV shows”- like the one with John Fleming – Prove it! with Chris Tarrant.

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